THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

Understandably there’s been a huge volume of comment on the election, for two reasons.

First, because the USA is still the world’s major economic and military power and second, because it’s utterly bewildering to the outside world that an ignorant, crass lying oaf such as Trump can gain anyone’s support.

Across the political spectrum throughout the world, numerous editorialists and commentators wrote articles condemning Trump’s candidacy. Take Britain for example where the left wing Guardian and the right wing Economist published virtually identical criticisms of his candidacy.

That said, the result should not have been a shock since pre-election polls all pointed to a 50/50 situation, which is what eventuated. It was the vagaries of the American electoral system that saw Trump come out on top.

His principal policies were first, slamming migration, this in a nation built upon migration from across the world. As the think tank, The National Foundation for American Policy has pointed out, immigrants have started 55% of America’s startup companies valued at a billion dollars or more. That should not surprise New Zealanders as we see a similar visible initiative here with our migrants at every level of the economy, they being hungry fighters eager to make their mark in their new homeland. Trump’s second inane policy reflecting his grotesque economic ignorance is his attacks on the greatest instrument for human progress since the first human evolved over 100,000 years back, that being free trade.

Numerous other insanities were spewed out but if we judge him on his first term’s (2016-20) policies and results, hopefully they will prove piss and wind and be quickly forgotten.

In 2016 he campaigned on a single message, namely “I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it”. Needless to say, neither eventuated.

America has been out of line with the rest of the world since 2016, on so many things, but most notably it alone supporting Israel’s genocidal behaviour. Post Trump, hopefully it will get back into step with the world’s 200 nations on this disgrace.

But let’s not forget that half of the US electorate voted against Trump. And before we’re too condemnatory, let’s also not forget our measurably own greater moment of insanity, specifically the massively embarrassing Jacindamania phenomenon, four years back.

One potential positive is that Trump likes to pose as an international deal-maker with dictators he openly admires.

So I anticipate a Trump meeting with the evil Putin, who’s territorial ambitions have been thwarted by a passionate Ukrainian resistance to date.

Putin needs a face-saving out and Trump will deliver it, allowing Russia to incorporate a small Russian speaking territory on Ukraine’s eastern border.

Recently discussing Trump the issue arose as to there’s anything one can say that’s positive about him. Yes, there is, specifically his children, now all adults, who all seem to be very civil, albeit that may be more attributable to their mothers.

 

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The reality, regardless of the Trump issues, the USA gave him a landslide result
That is democracy

    I’m not sure we can say a US election result is a ‘landslide by reference to the electoral college result. Rather you need to look past it, to the popular vote.

    The popular vote margins in the past four elections have been Obama (+5.0m); Clinton (+2.9m); Biden (+7.0m); and Trump (+3.3m) so in relative terms, Trump’s victory was hardly a ‘landslide’.

    In any event, according to trump and the vast majority of Republicans, the recent election was ‘rigged’ so when it comes to ‘landslide’ or not, we can hardly regard it as being in any way determinative.

You have this completely wrong Bob. Trump was elected as the electorate looked past his personality at his policies which he was prepared to spell out. The alternative was a cackling idiot who admitted nothing came to mind when asked what she would change about the policies of the Biden administration of which she was part of. This while the electorate were hurting from the left wing virtue signalling policies of Biden’s administration as well as suffering from the illegal immigration of millions of people who had no security clearance and are responsible for many serious crimes. To equate this with the background of the States being built on immigration is nonsense as the immigrants that built the USA arrived there legally. Having spent time recently in the States it is no surprise to me that Trump’s Hispanic support increased. I experienced Americans with an immigrant background vocalising opposition to Biden’s open border policy which Harris played a big part in. The common refrain I heard was why should these people be allowed to jump the queue illegally and due to the quality of these illegals give legal immigrants an undeserved bad name.
The left wing elites (Biden, Harris, Obama, Clinton etc) have disparaged Trump supporters with derogatory names which doesn’t appear to have worked well for them.
Time will tell on many of his policies but Trump is already making noises about the Ukranian Russian war. If he can stop the killing in this war he would get my vote on that alone.

    ‘Derogatory names’, Michael?

    You would have to agree, surely, that most of that came from Trump’, particularly his recent reference to Harris as being a b****. Yes?

    True, there were some harsh comments made by the Dems and you’re probably alluding to his being a ‘fascist’, but that description came from Trump’s former CoS, General Kelly, and then endorsed by Generals Mattis and McMaster. They worked in the administration; are all keen students and recorders of history; and got to know Trump rather well.

    I am extremely proud of the fact that Australia banned Trump in 1988 and NZ banned him in 1992 On both counts he lacked the good character requirments

Aways enjoy your opinions Bob, but this one had holes in it, you should have mentioned that you were wrong this time. The result was close as you pointed out, 50.40% of people voted for Trump, while 48% voted for Harris. The election system over in the US is ridiculous as you mentioned, but you were wrong for the first time in a while and should have owned it.

Trump wasn’t anti immigration, he was anti illegal immigration, this is an important distinction as it became an important election issue in the US. Handing out money to people illegally entering the Country was not a good look for Harris who was to personally blame for this fiasco, it was a devastating blow for her in the end.

You are right, Trump will help sort the wars out due to his mad egotism and his desperation to be an international statesman; it’s a horses for courses situation which can only help the World avoid a large scale conflict. He will probably achieve a lot more this term (right or wrong) due to the likelihood of him having full control of the House and Senate.

I also feel that you have lost touch and underestimated how sick and tired the general population are with world class wokism, people have had a guts full.

The efforts of podcasters Joe Rogan and Charlie Kirk drumming up huge support online from young audiences was a killer blow for the left and something you may not be aware of. I’d highly recommend you watch them both in action as you would probably agree with a lot of what they say.

Finally the Democrats ran a horrendous campaign, parading around as champagne socialists who take the notion of, I’m OK and comfortable so let’s fight for the battlers in life. Very easy to do when one is well fed and enjoying a comfortable life. They lost a lot of the average Joe vote, had far less Latino and black men vote for them which was their own fault in the end. Harris refused to be interviewed bar once and didn’t get out on the ground amongst the middle class, Trump did most days. The Democrats lost the election, Trump didn’t win it.

    Harris sat for many interviews, including Fox, NABJ, Colbert, Stern, The View, Call her Daddy – I could go on, and then there was the 60 Minutes interview ,which she did, but which trump pulled out of because the network insisted on fact-checking him live (which everyone does or should do) and would not apologise for something said back in 2020. Poor darling.

    I’ve listened to both Rogan and Kirk. I agree with a little of what the former has said but nothing which has spewed from the mouth of the latter. But every man to his own I say.

    However, I agree both were persuasive, when it came to their target audiences.

Some thoughts:
Israel will be the worst country ever at Genocide, the population in Gaza will be higher than when Hamas attacked Israel (more births than people claimed to be killed) and to be even worse at genocide as they deliver food to the victims of their genocide

Sir Bob missed out “illegal” when before “slamming immigration”

Did Trump set up the “vagaries of the American electoral system” or was he smart enough to know how to make it work for him

My guess that Ukraine will loose some land (and people) to Russia. Does Sir Bob think that is worse than all the killing? Trump and Jacinda are the only world leaders that I have heard say there should be work on a solution/ peace, not just supporting Ukraine to continue to fight a war. Maybe Sir Bob is right when comparing them, as above.
Joe Biden said before the invasion, he did not mind if there was a small invasion (not bluster, just stupid).

I guess the last paragraph is why Americans voted for Trump. The alternative was stupid

    “Does Sir Bob think this is worse than all the killing?”

    Are you arguing that invasion can be condoned but defence of one’s sovereign land can not?

What if Barron decides to follow his father into politics?

Imagine a future with a civil somewhat shy, President Trump.

    My guess is that most Republicans don’t care whether immigration is legal or not. They’re motivated and driven by their Great Replacement Theory.

      That’s a bold statement Larry.

      I have difficulty guessing what motivates even one other person, let alone half the voting population of America.

Sorry Bob, I think you are wrong on this one. We shall see over time.

I don’t know how your health is Sir Bob, or how much time you have left, but I would like to thank you for the joy and insight you have given over the years. Whether it was I your early hijinks, your politician episode, your witty novels or the many years of barbs and brickbats in your many columns and interviews – I’ve thoroughly enjoyed your intellect. I hope it continues for a while yet.
Thank you.

If I could describe Trump as “a bit rough round the edges” it would probably be considered to understate his flaws. But, the “rough round the edges” guarantees he is the best person to wind back the wokeness that democrats have inflicted on America, and the idealistic expenses that Americans are compelled to pay. I can see why they voted for him.

    Can you describe some of the wokeness that you mention?

    Billy, I would not, as you’ve done, attribute ‘a bit rough around the edges’ to someone who is a sexual assailant; a fraudster; a thief; a tax evader; a rascist; a pathological liar; and, according to some who have worked closely with him (two four-star generals) a fascist, and a ******* moron (one Secretary of State).

    But every man to his own I say.

      Larry, it only takes 5 people to make such accusations (even if backed up by kangaroo courts) but +7 Million people have overlooked the vacuous claims, and believe Trump, his family, and his team are better suited to sort out the mess that the woke crowd have created.

    We think Americans are full of bluster. Americans think new Yorkers are full of bluster. I expect that new Yorkers think Trump are full of bluster.
    When people understand this, then people might not take what Trump says seriously, but still take him seriously

Trump’s win had nothing to do with the vagaries of the US electoral system but much to do with rejection of identity politics. The economy and the border were also big factors. But my underlying thought has long been, how does a large, wealthy country, full of talented and experienced people end up with Trump and Harris as their presidential choices?

There is no doubt Trump was averting wars by talking to our adversaries. He had the Abraham accord working well, Middle East countries were aligning more to the west with peaceful relations.

Iran had economical sanctions imposed by Trump that was preventing Iran from funding wars, by supplying Hamas and Hezzbollah. Remember that Iran clerics have trouble getting their youth to fight……so Iran sponsor terrorists educated by operatives at a young age to hate and kill Jews.

Do I like Trump…… NO. Do I like Luxon NO. Both are off doing good undoubtedly.

Biden and Jacinda were on a woke, climate agenda taking their countries off to HELL! Peter G

Very big difference between skilled legal immigrants, and low quality illegals, especially the violent criminals and gang members. Australia is very welcoming of skilled immigrants, but illegal boat people go to Nauru

If tariffs are used as a bargaining chip to lower protectionism in EU and China that would be a good thing.

Big part of why we won was backlash against woke and transgender, as well as inflation

There appears to be some confusion in this forum regarding claims against Trump.

The numerous proceedings were not brought by ‘individuals’, but by Grand Juries, each of which was 23 in number.

They were accorded due process, all the way through to the federal Supreme Court, and that process can hardly be called a ‘kangaroo court’ just because the defendant kept losing.

But the process does have some compassion. The guilty party will not be incarcerated. Why? Because he’ gets to kill the proceedings.

RNZ headline this morning.
‘Academic elite to help democracy’

Guessing this would be similar to the ‘help’ provided for NZ 2017.

I didn’t think it worth commenting at the time but Bob’s comment that the guardian and the Financial Times are left wing and right wing respectively is, I think, worth examining. They both come under the criteria mainstream media (MSM) and I think the description ‘two cheeks of the same arse’ is the most appropriate description of them. Julian MacFarlane, in his blog post, has a much more erudite description of the problem of relying on establishment sources of information. (As an example, try to find a British publication that is not openly hostile to Russia)
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/madm?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=837411&post_id=151769119&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=z3bgb&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Stumbled across this Bob Jones website. Love his freewheeling commentary. Not a big fan of Trump, but his policies could be what the USA need. The Democrats are misnamed and deserve to be dumped from power.

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